Nurse Travels The Country To Ask Questions That Are Unanswered

@TrishulVadi:

So I am super excited today. I have got with me none other than Jennifer Platt, who is a nurse and she’s Juul, qualified nurses qualified in both meant Paul mentally mental health trained and in general adult trained as well. I has a massive passion of care for the elderly and end of life care. Jen often describes herself as an empath, alpha female. And I actually discovered Jenna, like early on this year and straight away when I saw Jen his Instagram handle, which is at that nurse who asks questions. So it’s that underscore nurse underscore who underscore underscore the questions that caught my attention straight away. And the reason Jen his account was with me was because in recent times there’d be a federal health professional. It’s been really difficult just simply to ask questions about the world and what’s been going on in the mainstream and anyone who knows me will know that’s just really weird for me. And to go, it goes completely against the grain for me. So it was only right that I invited you. And as you come and join me tonight and not need to connect with her but also to share with what Jen has been up to, and this past few months in line with this whole concept. So thank you so much, Jennifer, for coming and joining me today. And please, can you share with us what you’ve been up to around the country?

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah, no, thank you very much for mean me. So I have been walking every city in England, Scotland and Wales plus a couple of towns and with a sandwich board that says nurses are scared to speak out. And how that, well, how that started originally for me to kind of take an action was I walked to London. So I walked from Stoke-on-Trent to London, which took me 10 days to hand deliver a letter to Boris Johnson, to discuss the breaches of the code of conduct, which is the nursing midwifery code of conduct. That was reported to me from thousands of nurses from all different backgrounds. So I felt really stuck. I felt like I needed to do something. I could see that there were lots of kind of rules in place that didn’t seem to make sense. And I felt like people were being dehumanized wearing the masks. So I needed to take some action. So I walked from Stoke-on-Trent to London that took me 10 days. And then Boris Johnson was actually in Stoke-on-Trent on day four. So I’m there plot into London. And then and then I went to hand deliver the letter a I’m hoping that, that like the guards would take it like pocket in and they wouldn’t accept it. So I had to post it anyway.

@TrishulVadi:

Why was that? Why would they not accept

Nurse Jenna Platt:

It? I don’t know if maybe they didn’t believe me. I don’t really know. Yeah. Yeah. So I made it, we just posted it. But what that did do well in those 10 days was it creates a community of people who were saying your seeing what I’m thinking. And that’s when the conversations really started to kind of like increase that all the nurses that had already been in touch with me. It, it, sorry, I don’t know whether it’s gone off on Tik TOK now, but that’s fine. You stopped on that. That’s fine. Yeah. All of the other nurses who had previously reached out to me now over nurses were more aware of me and it kind of, I guess that confirmation bias that, you know, there’s more people like this. There’s more people that are thinking like this they’ve got questions, but I’ve being bullied and ostracized.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

So that was the first thing that I did. And I also really struggled personally in the shops going shops, not wearing a mask. And at first I started, I was wearing a mask because I felt that it was helping people to feel more comfortable that were around me. But I got poached a couple of times I got shouted at and I was like, no, like I’m, I’m not, I can’t do this. I can’t try and make other people feel comfortable when it’s having a real negative impact on me. And I felt like, because my face was covered that people were able to, to attack me physically verbally. But then I had the hurdle of trying to go shopping with this. And that was really, really difficult. So I also did a lot of videos to help people go shop pet because a lot of people were contacting me and, you know, really disturbing stories where there was this one lady who had been a survivor of sexual assault just before lockdown, she then had to be isolated, you know?

Nurse Jenna Platt:

So there were no services. She was on her own. She was away from her friends and family after, you know, going through this trauma. And now she’s trying to get milk and bread and she’s got a security guard with no train, no therapeutical, possibly medical training saying, where’s your mask? Why aren’t you wearing one? And the trauma, you know, they’re reliving that trauma, sorry, every time she needed to go shop pen. And so I started to do videos around that to help people. And then again, I felt like I needed to do something else. So I attended the marches. You know, and I’ve got no shame in that I’m attending the March is to help support a nurse nurses I’m attending the March is because you shouldn’t feel like you’re going to be bullied or ostracized for asking questions. And I’m attending the March is because I want risk assessments.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

I want person centered care to be in place. And then it just didn’t feel enough. It felt like I needed to do something else. So I got the sandwich board and that was just from pure laziness because when I was holding my little plaque card, like I was so tired. So I got the sandwich board and then I stayed in London for two weeks for my sandwich board. The original plan was to walk 50 days in London. But it just felt like there was so much trying to grab people’s attention that I needed to get out. I needed to move on. And then I had so many people messaging me saying, oh, you know, like, it’d be great to meet you or I live here or are you visiting here? And I was like, actually, that’s what I’m going to do. So I decided to walk every city in England, Scotland and Wales. I was very proudly telling everyone that was 69. There wasn’t, there was 64. And so I made a mistake. So that’s why I’m being some towns as well to, to get the 69. And yeah, I’ve done all of Scotland. I’ve done all the Wales. Other than a good chunk of England, I’m on my, I’ve just done my 42nd city out of 69 today, which was Ellie, Ellie feelings.

@TrishulVadi:

Wow. So, so obviously, you know, travel something that you, you know, this whole COVID thing started with you traveling anyway, you went to India for a little while and we need to come cook cause that trip short and he came back to the UK, but what does your husband make of all this where you’re traveling around and how does he feel? Because I know of friends and family and have other couples where they have polarized views about all these sorts of things. And I’d be curious to know about what your husband makes off, what your opinion is and what you’re doing. And also just in terms of overseeing time away from each other for, for the amount of time that you dedicate into all this work.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah. So I’m so lucky. Like I’m so, so lucky that me and my husband are well, one we’re able to disagree and that’s okay. You know, we’re able to have conversations that are uncomfortable and we are very aware, you know, we’ve got a lot of self-awareness, so each of us, you know, so yeah, w we’re able to disagree anyway, and there’s some things that we do disagree on, but the, for the majority, regardless of whether we agree or disagree, he supports me. And honestly, I’m going to do it anyway. I’m going to do it anyway. He knows that. But

@TrishulVadi:

Yeah, I can relate to that example, that, that feeling. I understand that.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah. Like there’s, there’s little bits that maybe we don’t see eye to eye, but that like 90%, 95%. Yeah. We’re totally on the same page, which is a massive help. Because again, there’s people that have reached out to me, they’ve been married, you know, 20, 30 years the husband’s living upstairs and the wife’s living downstairs, you know, there’s this one lady who she was having a conversation like the, the divide between her, her and her husband. And she’s now got alopecia because she’s so stressed. And for me, like that experience is valid. Like, but for whatever reason, she’s not able to say, do you know what? I’m on a really rubbish time. I’m not able to communicate with my husband. My hair is falling out. My self-esteem is declined. You know, I’m feeling really low in mood because then people say, well, you’re not dead.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Well, she’s having a rubbish time. She’s allowing you to have that rubbish time and say it’s rubbish. But if anyone has got any different experience, that seems to be that knee-jerk response. And I’m so compassionate to people who have suffered or suffering due to the results of COVID. But I also see the bigger picture, like th th there’s, you know, if that she COVID patients like that, there’s this circle of people who we’re not giving any attention. We’re not given any emotion to. But yeah, but back to my husband, I’m very lucky during lockdown. So we got married January the second, 2020, and then I was going to India for five months to find myself, find myself because I’d already,

@TrishulVadi:

That’s just you, that’s just, oh my gosh.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Well, the, a little bit of the backstory is we’d actually split up for three years. And then he apologized. So we went primary school together. We went to high school together. We’d split up for three years. He apologized and then we got married 12 days later to Vegas.

@TrishulVadi:

So he knew each other since your primary school. I think he can have three years off in that time to be fair. Yeah.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

But I do take ticket to India. So I was already going. So it went from, in our heads being apart for another five moments to then being locked, locked down together and then live in and work and together 24 7 you know, we survived that we had, we, we had a great time, like, you know, we, we did loads of jobs in the house. You know, w we were able to spend 24 7 together and now it’s the complete opposite. Like we rarely see each other. And even when I’m back home, I’m doing my wash in checking upon emails, checking over messages, and then I’m fast asleep by eight o’clock. So yeah, for our relationship, you know, we are able to be joined at the hip or not see each other. So I’m very, very fortunate.

@TrishulVadi:

Amazing. I think that’s really important in any, and especially in the kind of thing that you’re doing right now, it just, you know, you need that support. Otherwise you need someone to lean on and understand your, your goals and what you’re doing. So that’s super cool. I’m excited to hear that. So definitely cool. What about in terms of one thing that’s, I guess concerning me is about the choice conversation, the pro-choice conversation. And when we get into this topic, they’ll people go, oh yeah, you guys are anti-vax people or conspiracy theories, and you’re branded with everything else under the sun. And it’s like, all we’re doing is just doing what I think has helped professionals. We know that we’ve always done with our patients is give them information and they make the choice. We can’t assume paternalism. So certainly not since Montgomery law came into place a few years ago.

@TrishulVadi:

What, what are your thoughts on, I don’t know. I guess I’m asking you you’re, I guess you’re the person asking the questions I’m missing asking you how do you feel and where do you think things are gonna go with regards to if the whole nursing profession who has, because that’s already happened in, in certain parts of the healthcare industry already. So how do you feel, or what do you, anything’s going to go where if nurses are going to be asked, when you’re going to have to have them, you’re going to have to vaccine it’s mandatory now.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah. I’m very concerned about that. Very concerned about it for several reasons. That one, I don’t think it’s a case of a pro and a con line down the middle of a piece of paper. This is the processes, the condoms. I think it’s so much more complex than that. And one of the conversations that I’ve heard is experienced intensive care nurses on vaccinated. It being suggested that they are replaced by inexperienced vaccinated nurses. And this is all about patient safety, patient safety. Isn’t, what’s injected into my body. Patient safety is about the experience, the rapport, the, the, even just knowing where things are, especially in intensive care, you’ve got so many drawers, you know, you’ve got so many different alarms, you know, just knowing the team, the rapport with the team, patient safety. Isn’t one thing. And that’s concerning to me and not just an intensive care, you know, if you think about areas, people who support individuals with learning disability, you know, they’re probably there for a long time.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

They’ve built up a rapport over years. They they’ve managed to support the individual with communication, if there’s communication barriers. And now you’re saying that that nurse should go and somebody else should come. Even though that patient’s got a rapport with them, and they’re able to communicate with them, I it’s so much more complex than if you don’t have it. You’re not caring. And, and fortunately, I think the media hysteria has created just a black and white picture. You have it, you care, you don’t, you don’t have. And what I’m finding while I’m walking is people will say, I support the nurses. I support the nurses. I support the nurses. What, what are you talking about? So I tell them what I’m talking about. And I’m like, oh no, where you’ll support the nurses. When all you have to say is, yeah, you deserve a bigger pay rise, but you won’t support the nurse when it’s a little bit uncomfortable, or we have to consider like outside or knowledge of what, cause while, while I’m walking, people are repeating the same responses to me.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

The vaccine is only the vaccine is the only way out. And you know, the only thing that those people have in common is the tele. So as I’m walking around and seeing all these different people, they are repeating the same objections to me. So I’m really, really concerned that it’s a very complex decision, patient safety. A very complex scenario has been given to simplified solution. You have this UK you’re safe. You don’t, you don’t. And yeah, there’s so many different levels to it. So I’m very concerned that many experienced nurses, not just nurses, but I talk about nurses. But care assistants, physios, OTs, you know, the whole multidisciplinary team. I’m very concerned that we’re going to have a dropout of very experienced staff or we’re going to have very low staff morale because people feel like they’ve done something that they didn’t necessarily want to do. And

@TrishulVadi:

What would you say to people who say, but Virginia, your hand don’t mean any disrespect to you, but if they were to say to you, be good as a nurse, what would you know about immuno immunology, not an immunologist? What would, you know, what would you say to them going, what you’re you have? No, you have no voice in this, in this, in this space because, well, why would you, you’re not, you don’t expert. Yes. You’re in healthcare, but that, you know, then you’ll get tarnished with all the little bit of knowledge of dentistry, just because you’re a health professional doesn’t mean everything about health, but what do you, you know, clearly you do clearly it, we, we, we will make decisions every day with our patients or a number of different things. How do you, how do you respond to someone like that? So

Nurse Jenna Platt:

I think we’ve never had that before. So we’ve never had vaccines and needed somebody to tell us what to do. We’ve always yelled to make our own decisions regardless of our qualifications. So, you know, we can, I’ve had conversations where people aren’t allowed to have discussions in the staff room, unless it’s in a positive light. So, you know, be in a staff room and stuff. We’re talking about the vaccine and the manager will say, you can only speak to me about that. That’s never happened before, you know, from a female point of view, we’ll be in a staff room and be like, you know, what contraceptive worked for you? What did that do for you? Like how would that make you feel? And we’ll have conversations and we’ll have that kind of peer experience. And that will be part of us making a decision will be the full part, but it will be part and that’s not allowed to happen anymore. So, you know, when making decisions about contraception, we don’t need to be experts in fertility or experts, you know like with implants and things like we’re able to make a decision and we’re able to talk to an expert, come away and then weigh up the pros and cons for it. We’ve always been able to do this with every other decision.

@TrishulVadi:

Nutrition is another thing that comes to mind in that respect. You know, we, we all have a view and opinion and an understanding of nutrition. We didn’t have to be a nutritionist. You had to be a dietician. You can make it. I get it.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Exactly. So, so that would be my first thing that we’ve never, we’ve never needed to be handheld by scientists before. And then the other thing is if we only listen to scientists, we have blind spots because scientists think like scientists. And like I said, about the COVID patients and then all the other patients like that, there’s not just one part to this puzzle that there’s other parts. And, you know, the way that, the way that you would speak to your patients or have a conversation, I might pick something up differently because we’re not thinking the same. It doesn’t mean that one’s better or worse. It just means that we were coming from different angles. And by working together with both of our expertise, we’re able to reduce the amount of blind spots in order to help the patients best. So yeah, one we’ve never needed it before. All these experts and also we’ve, we’ve, we’ve always had multidisciplinary discussions because we’ve always respected different points of view and different experiences. Okay.

@TrishulVadi:

And what do you, what do you think about this? Obviously we’re in the summer holidays now and kids are off school, but there’s this talk about? Oh yeah. Now what wasn’t the case was when the vaccine first came out, oh, children won’t need it because there’s such low risk. Like with anything, we weigh up risks versus benefits. We’re seeing and hearing reports of various responses or reactions to people getting the vaccine. And now they’re talking about possibly making mandatory for children. How does that make you feel? What’s conversations out there in what you’ve been on your walks and met people around the country was what’s the feeling around that at the moment.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

So what I’m. So I talk about informed voluntary decision-making so I have got no problem in people making a choice that’s right for them, because I don’t want people taking my choice away from me, even though it might be different. So I talk about informed, voluntary decision making for adults. And it has to be voluntary. I’m completely anti coercion, but when it goes to the children, although I don’t have my own children, although I’m not a pediatric nurse or a midwife or a health visitor, I am very, very concerned at the talk about vaccine in the children. We don’t know the long-term risks for adults yet. I’ve heard a lot of people and hypothetically speak about, oh, but then, you know, the children will get it and pass it on to the, to the elderly for so long, we’ve spoke about letting children be children and, you know, not putting too much pressure on them.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

They’ve already got a lot of pressure because of social media. They’ve already got a lot of pressure because of exams. And now we’re giving them pressure not to kill their grandma or not kill someone that they might, you know, in like the logic behind. It really concerns me. And it really concerns me the tunnel vision that some people have got about. And I’ve heard them say in a lot don’t then a children’s keep the apples warm. I personally think we should be protecting the children from this. I don’t even think, you know, they should be aware of it, but I don’t think they should be concerned about it. I don’t think it should be a worry for them. I think we should be protecting the children at all costs. So I’m very concerned about that. Talk, but word on the street while I’m walking around is the children will unite those.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

That’s why I think we can agree with, I think we can agree on two things from while I’m walking one, the vaccine passports, people don’t want them. And two, the children don’t need it. Now that’s from people who have had the vaccine who had the vaccine who are thinking, I might have it, everyone that I’m speaking to, and that I don’t even know how many people that is, but everyone I’m speaking to is saying the children don’t need it. So I do believe the children, you will unite apples. And I think that, whereas it feels right now that we’re quite polarized. I think the children will we’ll narrow that gap. That’s made me feel

@TrishulVadi:

That’s nice thing to even think about just because the children are going to help us out out this way. That’s really nice. It’s sweet. It’s really sweet about that actually. So in kind of almost sense of hope, I guess, is, well, that makes me feel like, and on that point in terms of, you know, for children, the past was 18 months give or take is a, is a big chunk of their life so far. And in something that you’re a bigger expert than I am is in mental health. And what is, what is your take on, on the effects of what on, on the last 18 months on mental health and children at the moment. And I get, there’s a range of ages in there. So there’s a very broad range of ages, but just generally speaking what’s what’s, I guess there’s two parts. The question actually one part is what do you think affects up? Secondly, what can parents do? What can families do to help the children from the mental health point of view?

Nurse Jenna Platt:

So I think, and again, because I’m not a pair and it is difficult for me to say because people will take different risks, but I, if I had a child, I would be trying to live life as normal as possible within the restrictions. And, you know, for compassionate reasons, I don’t remember, I’m allowed to say on the show, but for compassionate reasons, it I’m high professionally speaking, not because I don’t have children, but if I felt that it would help the child to go and see their grandparents during one of the lockdowns, I would, I would take it because I think there’s going to be so many people. I don’t want to go upstairs and there’s gonna be so many people that after this, once we’ve kind of reached that equilibrium of whatever the new normal is that are going to reflect on this time and they’re going to be so mad, they’re gonna be so mad.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Why didn’t I just go, why didn’t I just get in the car? Why did I let my child forget who their grandparent is? Like, why didn’t I let the grandparent meet the child in the first year of its life? There’s, there’s going to be so much anger, I think, and regret once we’re out with this pickle. So I think for me, not that I’ve told him, I would be trying to get them to live as normal life as possible and making them aware, but not, not in fear. And what was the first part of the question? Because I forgot just the

@TrishulVadi:

Effect or the effect of this, I guess the ultimate thing with his children becoming adults at some point, what’s that going to look like in the future? Yeah. So

Nurse Jenna Platt:

People are talking to me about communication. So from very small children, the impact it has on communication, the impact is having on relationships there’s children. So I’ve seen it where I’ll be walking around and siblings will be arguing with each other, like who gets to use the hand gel first.

Speaker 3:

Hey, what

Nurse Jenna Platt:

And then, you know, it’s almost like they’re a good child, like, oh, you know, please, please, please, mom, please. And then the mum praises them. So then they do it even more because it’s like, oh, I got praised when I do this. So, you know, I think the child’s priorities and concern about always being scared, be scared of some that you can’t see be scared because people are wearing masks, be scared because it might go on your hands, even though you can’t see it. There’s been social workers who have been in tears talking to me because they can’t enter the homes and they know that that child needs them. There’s been teachers who are seeing that not only are children wiping the tabletops, but they’re wiping every tea table leg, they’re wiping the chair. And then the wipe and every child lag in a very ritualistic way before they’ll sit down and eat the food.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

You know, there’s people who have got lots of emotion now, criminal anger, because they’re not able to communicate that and why they feel like that. And also just from a kind of like energetic point of view where these little kids, I’ve got so much energy that they’re now being told, stay in doors, stay in doors, you know, get on your iPad and not have those social interactions. So I, yeah, I’m concerned about the children a lot and this, and really silly, but throughout lockdown, my husband put all the petrol in the car. I didn’t go to the petrol station once. And I can’t remember where I was driving to and I forgot to put petrol in the car. I could not remember what to do now. This is going for me, traveling around India on my own to call it, remember how to put petrol in the car. And if it’s D skilling me as an adult, who’s had lots of years practice putting petrol in the car. What is it doing to turn that haven’t had this amount of practice?

@TrishulVadi:

Yeah. So I, I mean, the thing that just comes to mind is about, you know, with tactile beings on we, and I think where we’re not able in my work, you know, I touch people. We know we, we work physically on, on people and, you know, I was busy lockdown because people were losing their sense of touch. And I think that was part of it. And I think that does concern me too with, with children, losing that in that suite, that doesn’t concern me if you’ve lost, if you’ve forgotten how to fill up petrol in that short amount of time, what’s he going to do with children? Who’ve not really had a sense of how to interact as humans in person. And yeah, that is, that is really worrying. And how has your work with the promotion of tell me more about the stand in the park promotion, like promoting that you’re doing, or it’s tell me all about it.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah. So as I’m walking around, so what I’m seeing is so much divide, so much divide, so much polarization there’s conversations where people are saying, oh, he’s not double back. She can’t come in. Oh, I don’t want to see the grandkids unless you get tested like that. There’s so much divide right now. There’s a lady who her granddaughter came to meet me and her 90 plus 92, I think 91 to come home now. Grandma had had the first vaccine, had a seizure falling down the stairs and broke her femur. Didn’t want the second one because of the, the effect that it had on her. I know her friends and family were uncommon. See ya. So, so when I was in that city, so it was insane asset in Wales, I was like, oh, I’ll go for a brew. So let me walk the city. And then I’ll, I’ll come to have a bruise. So I went and met her and it was great. And she, you know, I love hearing like the stories and like seeing her wedding picture and her telling me about that.

Speaker 3:

But the

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Reason why I’m saying that is about the disconnect that people are having with each other. Which I don’t think I, well, I hope I never see this again. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it before. And I don’t think, I hope never to see it again. How polarized people are, but what lockdown has done I feel for the first time is it’s being able to say, I got no friends I’m alone. I feel lost right now. And as a result of that, rather than living this hashtag best life ever hashtag because my coffee of the day or whatever on Instagram, people have been able to say, what do you know what I haven’t got any friends actually, or the friends I’ve got around me. We actually haven’t gotten much in common and stand in the park is started in Australia. And every Sunday, 10:00 AM the list is on the website it’s done in the park.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

People just meet up for a coffee, chit chat on sensitive conversation. And as I walk in each city, when I walk on a Sunday, I’ll start from a different stand in the park just to raise as much awareness as possible because I think it’s amazing. I think it’s amazing. And I wish I thought about it cause I wouldn’t need to walk all the cities. Like I think it’s just really an idea. Well the people that I’ve met, ah, the friendliest, most helpful welcoming people. So for me, I’m trying to raise as much awareness as possible that you don’t have to feel alone. You can go, we can, you know, just have a look on their Facebook and get involved with the chit chat first. And people will just welcome you and it’s, it’s brilliant. So yeah, I start in the park every Sunday, 10 till 11, or they know they normally go on longer. And the people will be like a bandstand, the cafe or a Memorial, but the it’s on their website and whereabouts

@TrishulVadi:

Super cool. And I think that really struck me about when I first found out, I was like, wow, that nurse, that, that nurse Jenner she’s brave too. Like, so ahead about the parfait kind of, oh right. You know what, you know, it’s it’s where did that come from in general, not bravery, courage, that strength.

Speaker 3:

So I’ve

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Always been able to, I say like fight for the underdog. Like I’ve always been able to defend somebody else when I’ve seen something that I perceive as wrong and, but not for myself. So this is where like the alpha empath, alpha female empath comes from. Like, I’m very empathetic and that’s my natural default position. But because of that, I didn’t set clear boundaries. I allow people to walk all over me. And that’s where the alpha female comes in, where I’m like, no, I’ve learned how to do this. Now I’m, you know, super assertive. I’m very compassionate and you can be those things in one. So I went from being able to, I guess, protect and defend of, of people. And sometimes they didn’t ask me to, so I actually had to learn that not everyone wants that because they might actually be getting something out with our situation, even though it’s not right for me to then learn and how to defend myself and learning how to stick up for myself.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

And yeah, I guess, I don’t know. A lot of people say that it’s brave, but honestly like when I’m walking around, I’m in some of the most beautiful places with some of the most amazing people having a bit of a coffee and a chit chat. And I think, I just even forget that I’m wearing a sandwich board. Like, it just feels like this is just what I do now. When people say like, oh Jen, you’re so brave. Honestly, I feel like a bit of a fraud because I’m literally just talking to people and having conversations. So I feel, I do feel like a bit of a fraud because it just feels like the right thing to do. And I want it to empower people that, so you, you mentioned my husband before and by, are we on the same page? Like he is the statistics guy. He’s the numbers guy. Like that’s how his brain works. My works with people and communication support together. Like we can have these conversations. So I want it to empower people to say, you don’t have to be a scientist. You don’t have to remember statistics. You can do something and it’s whatever you can do. It’s in your power and control. And for me, it’s walking and talking, I can do that. I can do that really easily. And that’s probably why it doesn’t feel great because it comes like I can walk it up and talk.

@TrishulVadi:

What would you say to I guess two groups, I see three groups of people out there. I see the ones that are really speaking out about everything. There are groups that want to speak about outbound things and they feel they can’t in a public setting. And then there’s those who feel completely on the other side of all this. And we go, no, no, no, we’ve got to do this to the other. We’ve got to follow the rules and all this sort of thing. I’m not suggesting that we break the law and break the rules. That’s not my suggestion. My suggestion is why don’t we just question it as just ask the question, that’s it. We’re not going to go against it just so we understand, maybe I don’t know. So what would you say to the latter two groups there? First to ones that do want to speak out are on the same wavelengths and just feel they can’t ask the questions even about what’s going on, whether it’s is right where the law sits in this, I mentioned Montgomery dwell you. And I’m like, where’s that going in? All this? And, and, and things of that nature.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Yeah. So I think with the people who maybe don’t have anything to say, or haven’t actually questioned, if there is anything wrong about what’s going on. Someone said to me that the truth can’t be told it has to be learned. So I think until it personally impacts them, that’s when they’ll start asking questions and someone made a very, very good point in the day when I was walking about the waiting list. So if it is that someone is now on the waiting list for a very long time, they’re probably going to start asking questions because they’ve done everything. They’ve, you know, they followed all the rules. If not seeing the family, they’ve had both the vaccines, they been wearing the masks, and now they’ve got to wait X amount of months or years. I don’t know how long the list is for certain things.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

So I think when there’s a personal pain, that’s when people start to ask questions, if they haven’t already. And I think with the middle group, it’s, it’s a case of dipping your toe in. So the reason why I have my content, the way I do is because while I don’t do statistics, I’d never remember them. And you only have to get one wrong for someone to discredit you, but I try and make content where a nurse can go into a staff room and say what you think about that nurse. So they don’t have to say, oh, look at this nurse. I agree with you. And she say him, but they can dip the toe in and asked that question. What do you think about this nurse? And then from that colleague response, then going to ask, okay. Yeah. when we’re not on the same page at all, but there’s no argument.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

And I think finding common ground is really important. So a really easy one for me is so, you know, the mask wearing Everett to walk into the pool and then you take it off to sit down. Does that make sense to you? And then you, from that common ground, you can build from that. I always say that you can’t learn Russian in an hour. So just because I have been feeling like this for 16 months or reading about it for 16 months or speaking to people about it for 16 months, if this is the first time you’ve had that conversation, I can’t then give you 16 months of information and get annoyed with you when you shut off and walk away. So I understand a lot of people get frustrated with me because they’re like, oh, well, you know, this has to be done. We have to do it this way. I’m like, well, that person’s closed off. Now they’ve closed off. They’ve shut off from the conversation for me. It’s about sparking that curiosity of thinking actually. Yeah. Why do we stand up, sit down. Like, why do we do that? And then building on that,

@TrishulVadi:

Amazing, any closing thoughts or anything that you’d like people to do to help in whatever we can to get all of us out of this and go back to normal, whatever that means anymore. I’m not sure if there is a normal, what the new normal is, is as a new normal is the old normal, whatever that normal is, if there ever was a normal in the first place, but any final thoughts then Jenna. Yeah, I think

Nurse Jenna Platt:

I do think the children will unite. I really do. And one of the reasons why you think that is well is because both of the groups, again, it’s very polarized, but the people that are speaking to me who would say I’m a vaccine, or I have had my vaccine and I, you know, so it’s, this is what’s been reported to me as those two groups of people. But I also think that people will feel safer putting the use across with the children. And what I mean by that is they might not want it themselves, but don’t feel they can say it out loud. But I think that people will be able to say, I don’t want my child to have it. So I think lots more conversations are going to be had when it comes to the children. So I guess what I would say is in order to make an informed decision, you should be able to say yes, no, and not right now, anything past that is coercion.

Nurse Jenna Platt:

And one of the things that someone said to on Instagram is if you can’t accept my no, how can you accept my yes. And I think it’s about challenging what’s happening. And I think finding those connections so that you gain confidence that, you know, you’re not on your own because while I’m walking the streets, people are approaching me that I would have just walked past otherwise. So I think finding connection locally is really, really important for people right now, so that you can have those conversations and wanting to healthcare. And that the vaccine, honestly, I don’t know what the rules are or the exemptions or anything like that. But I think document everything, get you contract, have a look at your policies, a have a look@acast.com, which is support like foldings. And, and when you get all the information, I think people are in a better position to start asking questions and to the employer,

@TrishulVadi:

You could just go back to, was it a cast.com? You just cut out there for a moment. So [inaudible] dot com. Was it, was it eight or you just cut out, but there was a guest.com,

Nurse Jenna Platt:

Right? Yeah. It comes.com medical freedom Alliance.

@TrishulVadi:

Perfect. Amazing. Thank you so much for your time today, Jenna. I really appreciate you taking out the time to speak with me and sharing your message about what you’re doing. And I hopefully we’ll connect again and, and see where we are in a few weeks or months and, and, and pick up things again.